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GEOFF BENNETT ON CAPITOL HILL. THAT WRAPS UP THE HOUR FOR ME. THAT WRAPS UP THE HOUR FOR ME. “DEADLINE “DEADLINE “DEADLINE: WHITE HOUSE” WITH “DEADLINE: WHITE HOUSE” WITH NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS NOW. NICOLLE WALLACE STARTS NOW.>>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN>>>HI, EVERYONE, IT’S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. NEW YORK. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. NEWS BREAKING TODAY ONE OF NEWS BREAKING TODAY ONE OF DONALD TRUMP’S FAVORITE YES MEN, DONALD TRUMP’S FAVORITE YES MEN, SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO, SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO, PLANS TO SAY NO TO CONGRESS FOR PLANS TO SAY NO TO CONGRESS FOR REFUSING CONGRESSIONAL DEMANDS REFUSING CONGRESSIONAL DEMANDS FOR DEPOSITIONS OF KEY STATE FOR DEPOSITIONS OF KEY STATE DEPARTMENT WITNESSES. DEPARTMENT WITNESSES. THAT’S ONE DAY AFTER REPORTS THAT’S ONE DAY AFTER REPORTS CONFIRM THAT U.S. SECRETARY OF CONFIRM THAT U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO LISTENED IN ON STATE MIKE POMPEO LISTENED IN ON THE CALL AT THE CENTER OF DONALD THE CALL AT THE CENTER OF DONALD TRUMP’S IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. TRUMP’S IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. THE ONE IN WHICH THE U.S. THE ONE IN WHICH THE U.S. PRESIDENT ASKED THE LEADER OF PRESIDENT ASKED THE LEADER OF ANOTHER COUNTRY TO INVESTIGATE A ANOTHER COUNTRY TO INVESTIGATE A POLITICAL OPPONENT. POLITICAL OPPONENT. MIKE POMPEO PLUNGING HIS MIKE POMPEO PLUNGING HIS POLITICAL FUTURE AND THE POLITICAL FUTURE AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE U.S. STATE INTEGRITY OF THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT DOWN THE STONEWALLING DEPARTMENT DOWN THE STONEWALLING PATH TODAY. PATH TODAY. “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTS ON “THE NEW YORK TIMES” REPORTS ON THE DEVELOPMENT THIS WAY, THE DEVELOPMENT THIS WAY, “SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO “SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO THREW UP THE FIRST POTENTIAL THREW UP THE FIRST POTENTIAL ROADBLOCK WHEN HE TOLD LAWMAKERS ROADBLOCK WHEN HE TOLD LAWMAKERS IN A LETTER TUESDAY MORNING THAT IN A LETTER TUESDAY MORNING THAT A DEMAND FROM THREE HOUSE A DEMAND FROM THREE HOUSE COMMITTEES FOR AMERICAN COMMITTEES FOR AMERICAN DIPLOMATS TO SIT FOR DEPOSITIONS DIPLOMATS TO SIT FOR DEPOSITIONS THIS WEEK AMOUNTED TO AN ACT OF THIS WEEK AMOUNTED TO AN ACT OF INTIMIDATION AND DID NOT ALLOW INTIMIDATION AND DID NOT ALLOW ENOUGH TIME FOR THE STATE ENOUGH TIME FOR THE STATE DEPARTMENT TO PROPERLY RESPOND.” DEPARTMENT TO PROPERLY RESPOND.” IT’S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, AND IT’S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, AND MORE THAN A LITTLE IRONIC, THAT MORE THAN A LITTLE IRONIC, THAT MIKE POMPEO ROSE TO SOME MIKE POMPEO ROSE TO SOME PROMINENCE IN RIGHT-WING GOP PROMINENCE IN RIGHT-WING GOP CIRCLES IN PART OUT OF HIS CIRCLES IN PART OUT OF HIS QUESTIONING OF HILLARY CLINTON QUESTIONING OF HILLARY CLINTON IN THE BENGHAZI INVESTIGATION. IN THE BENGHAZI INVESTIGATION. OF COURSE, HILLARY CLINTON OF COURSE, HILLARY CLINTON SUBJECTING HERSELF TO QUESTIONS SUBJECTING HERSELF TO QUESTIONS FROM THE BODY IN WHICH POMPEO FROM THE BODY IN WHICH POMPEO ONCE SERVED. ONCE SERVED. A MOVE THAT POMPEO TODAY A MOVE THAT POMPEO TODAY DESCRIBES AS INTIMIDATION. DESCRIBES AS INTIMIDATION. TEAM TRUMP’S CAPACITY FOR TEAM TRUMP’S CAPACITY FOR HYPOCRISY IS LIMITLESS, BUT HYPOCRISY IS LIMITLESS, BUT POMPEO IS ALSO TURNING TO POMPEO IS ALSO TURNING TO STONEWALLING CONGRESS AFTER HE STONEWALLING CONGRESS AFTER HE CHOSE TO PLAY DUMB ABOUT THE CHOSE TO PLAY DUMB ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER SUBSTANCE OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT IN A ROUND OF SUNDAY COMPLAINT IN A ROUND OF SUNDAY SHOW INTERVIEWS. SHOW INTERVIEWS. WATCH. WATCH.>>”THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” IS>>”THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” IS REPORTING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP REPORTING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP PRESSED THE PRESIDENT OF CREWUKR PRESSED THE PRESIDENT OF CREWUKR EIGHT TIMES TO WORK WITH RUDY EIGHT TIMES TO WORK WITH RUDY GIULIANI TO INVESTIGATE JOE GIULIANI TO INVESTIGATE JOE BIDEN’S SON. BIDEN’S SON. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THOSE WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS? CONVERSATIONS?>>SO, YOU JUST GAVE ME A REPORT>>SO, YOU JUST GAVE ME A REPORT ABOUT A — A WHISTLE-BLOWER ABOUT A — A WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT, UP IN OF WHICH I’VE COMPLAINT, UP IN OF WHICH I’VE SEEN. SEEN.>>FACT CHECK.>>FACT CHECK. WE’VE LEARNED THAT POMPEO WAS ON WE’VE LEARNED THAT POMPEO WAS ON THE CALL THAT “THE WALL STREET THE CALL THAT “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” REPORTED DONALD TRUMP JOURNAL” REPORTED DONALD TRUMP MENTIONED UKRAINE EIGHT TIMES MENTIONED UKRAINE EIGHT TIMES ON. ON. SO IT’S UNCLEAR WHY HE PRETENDED SO IT’S UNCLEAR WHY HE PRETENDED NOT TO KNOW WHAT MARTHA RADDATZ NOT TO KNOW WHAT MARTHA RADDATZ WAS TALKING ABOUT. WAS TALKING ABOUT. WATCH MORE. WATCH MORE.>>I VICE PRESIDENT HADHAVEN’T H>>I VICE PRESIDENT HADHAVEN’T H ACTUALLY READ THE WHISTLE-BLOWER ACTUALLY READ THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT YET. COMPLAINT YET. I READ THE FIRST COUPLE OF I READ THE FIRST COUPLE OF PARAGRAPHS THEN GOT BUSY TODAY. PARAGRAPHS THEN GOT BUSY TODAY. BUT I’LL ULTIMATELY GET A CHANCE BUT I’LL ULTIMATELY GET A CHANCE TO SEE IT. TO SEE IT. IF I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT, IT’S IF I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT, IT’S FROM SOMEONE WHO HAD SECONDHAND FROM SOMEONE WHO HAD SECONDHAND KNOWLEDGE. KNOWLEDGE.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT. FACT CHECK. FACT CHECK. THIS WHOLE SECONDHAND KNOWLEDGE THIS WHOLE SECONDHAND KNOWLEDGE DEFLECTION HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN DEFLECTION HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN BY NONE OTHER THAN THE BY NONE OTHER THAN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY’S INSPECT INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY’S INSPECT INSPECTOR GENERAL. INSPECTOR GENERAL. A TRUMP APPOINTEE. A TRUMP APPOINTEE. HE PUT OUT A STATEMENT JUST HE PUT OUT A STATEMENT JUST YESTERDAY PUSHING BACK ON THAT. YESTERDAY PUSHING BACK ON THAT. REPUBLICAN SENATOR CHUCK REPUBLICAN SENATOR CHUCK GRASSLEY ALSO PUSHING BACK ON GRASSLEY ALSO PUSHING BACK ON SECONDHAND KNOWLEDGE ATTACKS. SECONDHAND KNOWLEDGE ATTACKS. AND THERE’S MORE BAD TAPE FOR AND THERE’S MORE BAD TAPE FOR POMPEO. POMPEO. THIS DEFENSE OF STATE DEPARTMENT THIS DEFENSE OF STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS. OFFICIALS.>>TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE,>>TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, FROM WHAT I’VE SEEN SO FAR, EACH FROM WHAT I’VE SEEN SO FAR, EACH OF THE ACTIONS THAT WERE OF THE ACTIONS THAT WERE UNDERTAKEN BY STATE DEPARTMENT UNDERTAKEN BY STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS WAS ENTIRELY OFFICIALS WAS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE. APPROPRIATE.>>WE’LL SEE.>>WE’LL SEE. BECAUSE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE OFFICIALS HAS STEPPED DOWN OFFICIALS HAS STEPPED DOWN ALREADY. ALREADY. AMBASSADOR VOLKER FELT HE COULD AMBASSADOR VOLKER FELT HE COULD NO LONGER BE EFFECTIVE IN THAT NO LONGER BE EFFECTIVE IN THAT JOB. JOB. JUST THIS AFTERNOON, THE JUST THIS AFTERNOON, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE THREE HOUSE CHAIRMAN OF THE THREE HOUSE COMMITTEES FIRED BACK AT COMMITTEES FIRED BACK AT POMPEO’S STONEWALLING ATTEMPT POMPEO’S STONEWALLING ATTEMPT WITH AN APPARENT THREAT. WITH AN APPARENT THREAT. “ANY EFFORT TO INTIMIDATE “ANY EFFORT TO INTIMIDATE WITNESSES OR PREVENT THEM FROM WITNESSES OR PREVENT THEM FROM TALKING WITH CONGRESS INCLUDING TALKING WITH CONGRESS INCLUDING STATE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES IS STATE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES IS ILLEGAL AND WILL CONSTITUTE ILLEGAL AND WILL CONSTITUTE EVIDENCE OF OBSTRUCTION OF THE EVIDENCE OF OBSTRUCTION OF THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.” IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.” THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY THAT IS WHERE WE START TODAY WITHFAVORITE WITHFAVORITE REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. REPORTERS AND FRIENDS. ELI STOKOLS, WHITE HOUSE ELI STOKOLS, WHITE HOUSE REPORTER FOR THE “LOS ANGELES REPORTER FOR THE “LOS ANGELES TIMES.” TIMES.” GENE CUMMINGS, DEPUTY PUREBUREAU GENE CUMMINGS, DEPUTY PUREBUREAU CHIEF FOR “THE WALL STREET CHIEF FOR “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.” JOURNAL.” CHRIS LIU, FORMER WHITE HOUSE CHRIS LIU, FORMER WHITE HOUSE CABINET SECRETARY, ASSISTANT TO CABINET SECRETARY, ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT OBAMA AND SERVED AS PRESIDENT OBAMA AND SERVED AS DEPUTY CHIEF COUNSEL OF THE DEPUTY CHIEF COUNSEL OF THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE DURING HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE DURING THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT. THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT. OUR FRIEND, DONNY DEUTSCH IS OUR FRIEND, DONNY DEUTSCH IS BACK. BACK. PLUS, FRANK FIGLIUZZI, IS HERE. PLUS, FRANK FIGLIUZZI, IS HERE. FRANK, LET’S START WITH YOU. FRANK, LET’S START WITH YOU. I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS TODAY. ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS TODAY. TALK TO ME ABOUT MIKE POMPEO’S TALK TO ME ABOUT MIKE POMPEO’S EXPOSURE IN THE STORY, SOMEONE EXPOSURE IN THE STORY, SOMEONE WHO WAS LISTENING IN ON THE WHO WAS LISTENING IN ON THE PHONE CALL, THE CAPACITY AS THIS PHONE CALL, THE CAPACITY AS THIS COUNTRY’S SECRETARY OF STATE, COUNTRY’S SECRETARY OF STATE, HEARD THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT HEARD THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT MENTION EIGHT TIMES BASED ON MENTION EIGHT TIMES BASED ON GENE’S PAPER’S GREAT REPORTING, GENE’S PAPER’S GREAT REPORTING, UKRAINE, WE KNOW IN A TRANSCRIPT UKRAINE, WE KNOW IN A TRANSCRIPT RELEASED BY THIS WHITE HOUSE RELEASED BY THIS WHITE HOUSE THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED FOR A THAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED FOR A FAVOR, THOUGH, AND WE ALSO HAVE FAVOR, THOUGH, AND WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF DATA POINTS THAT SHOW A LOT OF DATA POINTS THAT SHOW THAT MILITARY AID WAS HELD UP THAT MILITARY AID WAS HELD UP BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED. BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED. WHAT DO YOU SEE IN MIKE POMPEO WHAT DO YOU SEE IN MIKE POMPEO TODAY? TODAY?>>OH, SO MANY THINGS TO TALK>>OH, SO MANY THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. ABOUT. SO, NICOLLE, ONE FOF THE THINGS SO, NICOLLE, ONE FOF THE THINGS WE — THIS IS HOW FBI AGENT SS WE — THIS IS HOW FBI AGENT SS REFER TO WHAT POMPEO DID THE ABC REFER TO WHAT POMPEO DID THE ABC NEWS KCLIP YOU PLAYED. NEWS KCLIP YOU PLAYED. CALLED DECEPTION BY OMISSION. CALLED DECEPTION BY OMISSION. WHEN YOU’RE INTERVIEWING THE WHEN YOU’RE INTERVIEWING THE SUBJECT AND SEE THE HALTING SUBJECT AND SEE THE HALTING LANGUAGE, THE HESITATION, LANGUAGE, THE HESITATION, NERVOUS LAUGHTER, THEN THEY JUST NERVOUS LAUGHTER, THEN THEY JUST FORGET TO TELL YOU THAT, FORGET TO TELL YOU THAT, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH I ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH I HAVEN’T SEEN THE I.C., I.G. HAVEN’T SEEN THE I.C., I.G. REPORT, I WAS IN THE ROOM. REPORT, I WAS IN THE ROOM. SO THEY JUST LEAVE THAT OUT AND SO THEY JUST LEAVE THAT OUT AND IT’S EVIDENCE OF CONSCIOUSNESS IT’S EVIDENCE OF CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT. OF GUILT. THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT FOR VIEWERS TO IT’S IMPORTANT FOR VIEWERS TO UNDERSTAND IS POMPEO’S COME OUT UNDERSTAND IS POMPEO’S COME OUT AND SAID, I’M NOT GOING TO ALLOW AND SAID, I’M NOT GOING TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN TO MY STAFF, MY THIS TO HAPPEN TO MY STAFF, MY EMPLOYEES, THIS BULLYING AND EMPLOYEES, THIS BULLYING AND INTIMIDATION. INTIMIDATION. REST ASSURED, HE’S NOT REST ASSURED, HE’S NOT PROTECTING THESE VERY SEASONED, PROTECTING THESE VERY SEASONED, MATURE, PROFESSIONALS. MATURE, PROFESSIONALS. RATHER, HE’S PROTECTING THE RATHER, HE’S PROTECTING THE PRESIDENT FROM THE TRUTH BECAUSE PRESIDENT FROM THE TRUTH BECAUSE THE FEAR, OF COURSE, IS THAT THE FEAR, OF COURSE, IS THAT THESE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO THESE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO SAY — THESE FOREIGN SERVICE SAY — THESE FOREIGN SERVICE OFFICERS ARE GOING TO SAY THE OFFICERS ARE GOING TO SAY THE TRUTH. TRUTH. THEY DIDN’T KNOW WHAT RUDY THEY DIDN’T KNOW WHAT RUDY GIULIANI WAS UP TO, THEY CAN’T GIULIANI WAS UP TO, THEY CAN’T DEFEND THIS, THEY WERE DEFEND THIS, THEY WERE UNDERMINED IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL UNDERMINED IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY. CAPACITY. IT’S GOING TO BE QUITE UGLY. IT’S GOING TO BE QUITE UGLY. AND BACK IN MY BUREAU CAREER AND BACK IN MY BUREAU CAREER WHEN WE HAD THIS HAPPEN WITH A WHEN WE HAD THIS HAPPEN WITH A CORRUPT PUBLIC OFFICIAL, THEY CORRUPT PUBLIC OFFICIAL, THEY CAME OUT PUBLICLY AND ACCUSED CAME OUT PUBLICLY AND ACCUSED THE FBI OF BULLYING OR THE FBI OF BULLYING OR INTIMIDATION INTIMIDATION INTIMIDATION, WE’RE NOT GOING TO INTIMIDATION, WE’RE NOT GOING TO COOPERATE, AND IN AN EARLY TIME COOPERATE, AND IN AN EARLY TIME IN MY CAREER, I WAS DISMAYED, IN MY CAREER, I WAS DISMAYED, EVEN ANGRY, BUT THEN I REALIZED EVEN ANGRY, BUT THEN I REALIZED I WANTED THEM TO KEEP DOING IT. I WANTED THEM TO KEEP DOING IT. I WANTED THEM TO PUBLICLY DO I WANTED THEM TO PUBLICLY DO THIS BECAUSE IT’S GOING TO BLOW THIS BECAUSE IT’S GOING TO BLOW UP IN THE FACE OF THAT CORRUPT UP IN THE FACE OF THAT CORRUPT OFFICIAL, AND IN THIS CASE, IT OFFICIAL, AND IN THIS CASE, IT IS QUITE LIKELY TO BECOME PART IS QUITE LIKELY TO BECOME PART OF AN ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT OF AN ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT THAT’S CALLED OBSTRUCTION. THAT’S CALLED OBSTRUCTION. AND IT’S ALL HAPPENING ON AND IT’S ALL HAPPENING ON TRUMP’S WATCH. TRUMP’S WATCH. IT’S A CABINET OFFICIAL HELPING IT’S A CABINET OFFICIAL HELPING TO OBSTRUCT, AND I THINK IT’S TO OBSTRUCT, AND I THINK IT’S GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN AN GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN AN ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT THAT’S ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT THAT’S CALLED, GENERALLY, OBSTRUCTION. CALLED, GENERALLY, OBSTRUCTION.>>FRANK FIGLIUZZI, THERE’S>>FRANK FIGLIUZZI, THERE’S SOMETHING I THOUGHT OF WHEN I SOMETHING I THOUGHT OF WHEN I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE POMPEO WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE POMPEO TAPE KNOWING NOW WHAT WE KNOW TAPE KNOWING NOW WHAT WE KNOW FROM GENE’S GREAT REPORTING AND FROM GENE’S GREAT REPORTING AND FROM OTHER REPORTS ABOUT FROM OTHER REPORTS ABOUT POMPEO’S CENTRALITY IN ALL THIS POMPEO’S CENTRALITY IN ALL THIS AND THE WHISTLE-BLOWER, WHAT AND THE WHISTLE-BLOWER, WHAT THEY WROTE ABOUT THE STATE THEY WROTE ABOUT THE STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS. DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS. I THOUGHT ABOUT HOPE HICKS AND I THOUGHT ABOUT HOPE HICKS AND THAT STATEMENT WRITTEN ABOARD THAT STATEMENT WRITTEN ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE WHERE THEY WERE AIR FORCE ONE WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO LOCK DOWN AND LIE ABOUT GOING TO LOCK DOWN AND LIE ABOUT DON JUNIOR’S PRETENSE FOR DON JUNIOR’S PRETENSE FOR MEETING WITH THE RUSSIANS AND MEETING WITH THE RUSSIANS AND MARK CERALLO, LONGTIME GOP LEGAL MARK CERALLO, LONGTIME GOP LEGAL COMMUNICATIONS EXPERT QUIT COMMUNICATIONS EXPERT QUIT BECAUSE HE FELT LIKE HE WAS BECAUSE HE FELT LIKE HE WAS WITNESSING SOME EFFORT AT WITNESSING SOME EFFORT AT OBSTRUCTION IN REALTIME. OBSTRUCTION IN REALTIME. IT WOULD APPEAR THAT POMPEO’S IT WOULD APPEAR THAT POMPEO’S BODY LANGUAGE WAS A PARALLEL IN BODY LANGUAGE WAS A PARALLEL IN THIS CRISIS TO HOPE HICKS’ SORT THIS CRISIS TO HOPE HICKS’ SORT OF REASSURANCES THAT NOBODY OF REASSURANCES THAT NOBODY WOULD FIND OUT, LOCK IT DOWN, WOULD FIND OUT, LOCK IT DOWN, AND THAT’S THE VERY WORD THAT AND THAT’S THE VERY WORD THAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER USES WHEN HE THE WHISTLE-BLOWER USES WHEN HE DESCRIBES THE CLASSIFIED DESCRIBES THE CLASSIFIED COMPUTER SYSTEM FOR LITERALLY COMPUTER SYSTEM FOR LITERALLY LOCKING DOWN THE NOTES. LOCKING DOWN THE NOTES. DO YOU THINK POMPEO THOUGHT DO YOU THINK POMPEO THOUGHT THESE NOTES WOULD NEVER GET OUT, THESE NOTES WOULD NEVER GET OUT, WHERE I THINK GENE REPORTED BY WHERE I THINK GENE REPORTED BY LAST FRIDAY, EIGHT TIMES DONALD LAST FRIDAY, EIGHT TIMES DONALD TRUMP MENTIONED INVESTIGATING TRUMP MENTIONED INVESTIGATING BIDEN, THE LEADER OF UKRAINE? BIDEN, THE LEADER OF UKRAINE?>>YEAH, YOU START — YOU>>YEAH, YOU START — YOU STARTED THE QUESTION WITH THIS, STARTED THE QUESTION WITH THIS, WHERE’S THE EXPOSURE FOR POMPEO? WHERE’S THE EXPOSURE FOR POMPEO? AND I DIDN’T REALLY ANSWER IT ON AND I DIDN’T REALLY ANSWER IT ON POINT AND NOW I GET TO. POINT AND NOW I GET TO. IF HE WAS PART OF THAT IF HE WAS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE TO HIDE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE TO HIDE THE TRANSCRIPT OF THIS CALL, THE TRANSCRIPT OF THIS CALL, HE’S BIG-TIME EXPOSED OR AS THE HE’S BIG-TIME EXPOSED OR AS THE PRESIDENT WOULD SAY, BIG LEAGUE PRESIDENT WOULD SAY, BIG LEAGUE EXPOSED BECAUSE HE’S PART OF A EXPOSED BECAUSE HE’S PART OF A CONSPIRACY TO OBSTRUCT AND COVER CONSPIRACY TO OBSTRUCT AND COVER UP AND HE’S GOT SOME EXPLAINING UP AND HE’S GOT SOME EXPLAINING TO DO AS TO HOW IN GOD’S NAME TO DO AS TO HOW IN GOD’S NAME THAT TRANSCRIPT OF A THAT TRANSCRIPT OF A CONGRATULATORY PHONE CALL CONGRATULATORY PHONE CALL SOMEHOW RISES TO THE LEVEL OF SOMEHOW RISES TO THE LEVEL OF TOP-SECRET COMPARTMENTED AND TOP-SECRET COMPARTMENTED AND NEEDS TO GO INTO THAT DATABASE. NEEDS TO GO INTO THAT DATABASE. HE’S IN A NO-WIN SITUATION HERE. HE’S IN A NO-WIN SITUATION HERE.>>GENE, YOUR REPORTERS, YOU>>GENE, YOUR REPORTERS, YOU GUYS HAVE HAD SOME EXTRAORDINARY GUYS HAVE HAD SOME EXTRAORDINARY REPORTING ON THIS POMPEO PART OF REPORTING ON THIS POMPEO PART OF THE STORY. THE STORY. I’VE REFERENCED TWICE THIS I’VE REFERENCED TWICE THIS REPORT FROM LAST FRIDAY BY REPORT FROM LAST FRIDAY BY REPORTER REBECCA WHO WROTE THAT REPORTER REBECCA WHO WROTE THAT IN EIGHT TIMES IN THAT IN EIGHT TIMES IN THAT CONVERSATION THAT YOU REPORTED CONVERSATION THAT YOU REPORTED YESTERDAY, POMPEO LISTENED IN ON YESTERDAY, POMPEO LISTENED IN ON DONALD TRUMP MENTIONED TO THE DONALD TRUMP MENTIONED TO THE UKRAINEIAN PRESIDENT HIS DESIRE, UKRAINEIAN PRESIDENT HIS DESIRE, HIS WISH, OR HIS HOPE, HIS HIS WISH, OR HIS HOPE, HIS ASPIRATION, THAT THE BIDENS BE ASPIRATION, THAT THE BIDENS BE INVESTIGATED. INVESTIGATED.>>ABSOLUTELY.>>ABSOLUTELY. HE KEPT — WE WERE TOLD THAT HE HE KEPT — WE WERE TOLD THAT HE JUST KEPT COMING BACK TO IT, AND JUST KEPT COMING BACK TO IT, AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE WOULD TRY TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT WOULD TRY TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT ISSUE, FOR INSTANCE, BUYING MORE ISSUE, FOR INSTANCE, BUYING MORE MILITARY EQUIPMENT, THE MILITARY EQUIPMENT, THE PRESIDENT WOULD FIND HIS WAY PRESIDENT WOULD FIND HIS WAY BACK TO, YEAH, I HEAR YOU, BUT, BACK TO, YEAH, I HEAR YOU, BUT, AND THEN HE WOULD, AGAIN, MAKE A AND THEN HE WOULD, AGAIN, MAKE A PITCH THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING PITCH THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH WHAT THE BIDENS HAD WRONG WITH WHAT THE BIDENS HAD DONE AND THE CORRUPTION AROUND DONE AND THE CORRUPTION AROUND THEM NEEDED TO BE INVESTIGATED. THEM NEEDED TO BE INVESTIGATED. SO WHEN THE TRANSCRIPT, ITSELF, SO WHEN THE TRANSCRIPT, ITSELF, CAME OUT, THE WHOLE WORLD COULD CAME OUT, THE WHOLE WORLD COULD SEE, THERE IT WAS. SEE, THERE IT WAS. HE CAME BACK TO IT OVER AND HE CAME BACK TO IT OVER AND OVER — OVER –>>I NEED A FAVOR, THOUGH, WAS>>I NEED A FAVOR, THOUGH, WAS THE LANGUAGE. THE LANGUAGE.>>INDEED.>>INDEED.>>WHEN THEY TRIED TO TURN BACK>>WHEN THEY TRIED TO TURN BACK TO THE MILITARY INSTALLATIONS. TO THE MILITARY INSTALLATIONS. I WANT TO HIT PAUSE ON THE I WANT TO HIT PAUSE ON THE SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT POMPEO SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT POMPEO TRIED TO DO TODAY. TRIED TO DO TODAY. THERE’S A LOT OF CONVERSATION IN THERE’S A LOT OF CONVERSATION IN REPUBLICAN CIRCLES ABOUT WHETHER REPUBLICAN CIRCLES ABOUT WHETHER TRUMP’S SORT OF IMPERVIOUS TRUMP’S SORT OF IMPERVIOUS POLITICAL POWER WITH HIS BASE IS POLITICAL POWER WITH HIS BASE IS TRANSFERABLE. TRANSFERABLE. I’VE ALWAYS POSITED THAT IT IS I’VE ALWAYS POSITED THAT IT IS NOT. NOT. I DON’T THINK STONEWALLING I DON’T THINK STONEWALLING CONGRESS IS GOING TO WORK OUT AS CONGRESS IS GOING TO WORK OUT AS WELL FOR MIKE POMPEO AS IT HAS WELL FOR MIKE POMPEO AS IT HAS FOR DONALD TRUMP. FOR DONALD TRUMP.>>LET’S GO BACK AND LOOK AT>>LET’S GO BACK AND LOOK AT ARTICLE 3 OF THE NIXON ARTICLE 3 OF THE NIXON IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT.>>I THINK I GOT IT.>>I THINK I GOT IT.>>WHICH DEALT WITH THE>>WHICH DEALT WITH THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. I KNOW THAT DEMOCRATS WANT TO I KNOW THAT DEMOCRATS WANT TO FOCUS ON THESE UKRAINE FOCUS ON THESE UKRAINE ALLEGATION, BUT IF THERE’S GOING ALLEGATION, BUT IF THERE’S GOING TO BE A LAUNDRY LIST, IT’S IN TO BE A LAUNDRY LIST, IT’S IN THAT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. THAT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. IT’S NOT ONLY ON THIS IT’S NOT ONLY ON THIS INVESTIGATION, IT’S ON MUELLER. INVESTIGATION, IT’S ON MUELLER. LET’S NOT FORGET WILBUR ROSS HAS LET’S NOT FORGET WILBUR ROSS HAS BEEN HELD IN CONTEMPT OF BEEN HELD IN CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS ON THE CENSUS. CONGRESS ON THE CENSUS. THAT’S PART OF A BROADER THAT’S PART OF A BROADER PATTERN. PATTERN. I THINK THE MORE THEY HOLD THIS I THINK THE MORE THEY HOLD THIS BACK THE WORSE IT LOOKS. BACK THE WORSE IT LOOKS. THE CRAZY THING ABOUT THE POMPEO THE CRAZY THING ABOUT THE POMPEO THING SAYING THIS IS SECONDHAND THING SAYING THIS IS SECONDHAND KNOWLEDGE, I KNOW SOMEONE WHO KNOWLEDGE, I KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE, THAT’S HAS FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE, THAT’S MIKE POMPEO AND WON’T COME MIKE POMPEO AND WON’T COME BEFORE CONGRESS TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE CONGRESS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HIS FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE IS. WHAT HIS FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE IS.>>LET ME PUT THIS UP.>>LET ME PUT THIS UP. “RICHARD M. NIXON FAILED WITHOUT “RICHARD M. NIXON FAILED WITHOUT LAWFUL CAUSE OR EXCUSE TO LAWFUL CAUSE OR EXCUSE TO PRODUCE PAPERS AND THINKS AS PRODUCE PAPERS AND THINKS AS DIRECTED BY DULY AUTHORIZED DIRECTED BY DULY AUTHORIZED SUBPOENAS ISSUED BY THE SUBPOENAS ISSUED BY THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY HOUSE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND WOEFULLY OF REPRESENTATIVES AND WOEFULLY DISOBEYED SUCH SUBPOENAS.” DISOBEYED SUCH SUBPOENAS.” IT’S EXACTLY WHAT IT APPEARS IT’S EXACTLY WHAT IT APPEARS POMPEO’S DOING. POMPEO’S DOING. I ALSO WENT BACK AND WATCHED I ALSO WENT BACK AND WATCHED POMPEO WITH A LOT OF — I DON’T POMPEO WITH A LOT OF — I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WORD IS, KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WORD IS, SWAGGER IS PROBABLY WHAT HE’D SWAGGER IS PROBABLY WHAT HE’D USE, I DON’T WANT TO USE IT, USE, I DON’T WANT TO USE IT, VERY MUCH RELISH THE OPPORTUNITY VERY MUCH RELISH THE OPPORTUNITY HE HAD AS A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE HE HAD AS A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE TO QUESTION HILLARY CLINTON, THE TO QUESTION HILLARY CLINTON, THE BENGHAZI HEARING. BENGHAZI HEARING. THE IDEA THAT IT’S GOOD FOR THE THE IDEA THAT IT’S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE, NOT GOOD FOR THE GANDER, GOOSE, NOT GOOD FOR THE GANDER, WHY WOULDN’T HE RESPECT THE BODY WHY WOULDN’T HE RESPECT THE BODY IN WHICH HE ONCE SERVED? IN WHICH HE ONCE SERVED?>>THERE’S A WONDERFUL CONTRAST.>>THERE’S A WONDERFUL CONTRAST. HILLARY CLINTON TESTIFYING FOR HILLARY CLINTON TESTIFYING FOR 11 HOURS TAKING EVERY ARROW 11 HOURS TAKING EVERY ARROW THROWN HER WAY AND MIKE POMPEO, THROWN HER WAY AND MIKE POMPEO, IN ITALY HEADING TO MONTENEGRO. IN ITALY HEADING TO MONTENEGRO.>>SEBASTIAN GORKA.>>SEBASTIAN GORKA. WHAT HE’S DONE INSTEAD IS TRY TO WHAT HE’S DONE INSTEAD IS TRY TO DEFLECT THIS BY STARTING THIS DEFLECT THIS BY STARTING THIS MILLIE MOTIVATED INVESTIGATION MILLIE MOTIVATED INVESTIGATION OF HK HKILLARY CLINTON’S EMAILS. OF HK HKILLARY CLINTON’S EMAILS.>>LOOK AT THE OBSTRUCTION THIS>>LOOK AT THE OBSTRUCTION THIS ADMINISTRATION ENGAGED IN BE IT ADMINISTRATION ENGAGED IN BE IT THE MUELLER REPORT, ATTEMPTS TO THE MUELLER REPORT, ATTEMPTS TO SWITCH INVESTIGATORS AT THE TOP SWITCH INVESTIGATORS AT THE TOP OF SDNY WHERE THE PRESIDENT FELT OF SDNY WHERE THE PRESIDENT FELT IMPERILED, ACTIONS TO INTERVENE IMPERILED, ACTIONS TO INTERVENE IN THE IRS, THIS IS THEIR IN THE IRS, THIS IS THEIR PLAYBOOK. PLAYBOOK.>>IT IS, AND IT’S WORKED FOR>>IT IS, AND IT’S WORKED FOR THEM POLITICALLY TO THIS POINT. THEM POLITICALLY TO THIS POINT. ONE OF THE TERMS FRANK MENTIONED ONE OF THE TERMS FRANK MENTIONED WAS CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT. WAS CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT. THERE’S ANOTHER TERM IN THERE’S ANOTHER TERM IN WHITE-COLLAR CRIMES, THIS WHITE-COLLAR CRIMES, THIS ILLUSION OF INVINCIBILITY. ILLUSION OF INVINCIBILITY. THE PRESIDENT HAS SUCH A VAST THE PRESIDENT HAS SUCH A VAST ILLUSION OF INVINCIBILITY. ILLUSION OF INVINCIBILITY. MAYBE IT’S NOT AN ILLUSION. MAYBE IT’S NOT AN ILLUSION. AT THIS POINT, THE SYSTEM IS AT THIS POINT, THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE CHECKS AND DESIGNED TO PROVIDE CHECKS AND BALANCES, THEY’RE FLOUTING IT AT BALANCES, THEY’RE FLOUTING IT AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. EVERY OPPORTUNITY. THEY DID RESPOND TO THE THEY DID RESPOND TO THE DEMOCRATIC SUBPOENAS PRIOR TO DEMOCRATIC SUBPOENAS PRIOR TO THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND DOESN’T APPEAR THEY’RE GOING TO DOESN’T APPEAR THEY’RE GOING TO NOW. NOW. WE’VE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF WE’VE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC HOUSE MEMBERS, DEMOCRATIC HOUSE MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE INTELLIGENCE MEMBERS OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO COMMITTEE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO HERE? DO HERE? THEY’RE BASICALLY SAYING, LOOK, THEY’RE BASICALLY SAYING, LOOK, THE PRESIDENT, SECRETARY POMPEO, THE PRESIDENT, SECRETARY POMPEO, THESE FOLKS, RUDY GIULIANI, IF THESE FOLKS, RUDY GIULIANI, IF THEY STONEWALL US, IF THE THEY STONEWALL US, IF THE PRESIDENT IS OUT THERE TRYING TO PRESIDENT IS OUT THERE TRYING TO INTIMIDATE THE WHISTLE-BLOWER INTIMIDATE THE WHISTLE-BLOWER AND OTHERS IN GOVERNMENT WHO MAY AND OTHERS IN GOVERNMENT WHO MAY HAVE INFORMED THE HAVE INFORMED THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S COMPLAINT TO WHISTLE-BLOWER’S COMPLAINT TO PREVENT THEM FROM COMING FORWARD PREVENT THEM FROM COMING FORWARD AND GIVING MORE INFORMATION, AND GIVING MORE INFORMATION, THEN THEY WILL LEAVE DEMOCRATS THEN THEY WILL LEAVE DEMOCRATS NO CHOICE BUT TO ADD THIS NO CHOICE BUT TO ADD THIS OBSTRUCTION TO THE ARTICLES OF OBSTRUCTION TO THE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT. ULTIMATELY, THOUGH, THE QUESTION ULTIMATELY, THOUGH, THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PRESIDENT, IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PRESIDENT, HE’S GOING TO SIT BACK AND SAY, HE’S GOING TO SIT BACK AND SAY, SO WHAT, WHAT’S THAT GOING TO SO WHAT, WHAT’S THAT GOING TO DO, I’VE GOT A REPUBLICAN DO, I’VE GOT A REPUBLICAN SENATE, I’VE GOT BILL BARR AT SENATE, I’VE GOT BILL BARR AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, AND AS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, AND AS LONG AS I’VE GOT THOSE THINGS, I LONG AS I’VE GOT THOSE THINGS, I CAN ACT BASICALLY WITH IMPUNITY. CAN ACT BASICALLY WITH IMPUNITY.>>I THINK, THOUGH, WHAT THE>>I THINK, THOUGH, WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE, WHAT HE’S PRESIDENT HAS DONE, WHAT HE’S FINALLY BEEN CAUGHT DOING, FINALLY BEEN CAUGHT DOING, BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW THAT HE BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW THAT HE HASN’T BEEN DOING THIS ALL HASN’T BEEN DOING THIS ALL ALONG, IS TO REALLY ENSNARE HIS ALONG, IS TO REALLY ENSNARE HIS TOP HUMAN SHIELDS IN THIS. TOP HUMAN SHIELDS IN THIS. I MEAN, THE WHISTLE-BLOWER NAMES I MEAN, THE WHISTLE-BLOWER NAMES BILL BARR AND RUDY AS THE BILL BARR AND RUDY AS THE PRESIDENT’S ACCOMPLICES IN THIS PRESIDENT’S ACCOMPLICES IN THIS WRONGDOING. WRONGDOING. WE KNOW FROM JEANNE’S REPORTING WE KNOW FROM JEANNE’S REPORTING THAT MIKE POMPEO WAS ON THE THAT MIKE POMPEO WAS ON THE CALL, SO MIKE POMPEO EITHER CALL, SO MIKE POMPEO EITHER THOUGHT THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG THOUGHT THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH EIGHT REQUESTS TO WITH EIGHT REQUESTS TO INVESTIGATE HUNTER BIDEN, OR INVESTIGATE HUNTER BIDEN, OR HE’D SEEN SOMETHING WORSE AND HE’D SEEN SOMETHING WORSE AND I’M NOT SURE — I THINK BOTH I’M NOT SURE — I THINK BOTH MAKE HIM AN EVEN MORE IMPORTANT MAKE HIM AN EVEN MORE IMPORTANT WITNESS TO BE RESPONSIVE TO WITNESS TO BE RESPONSIVE TO SUBPOENAS. SUBPOENAS.>>IT’S INTERESTING, THE THUG>>IT’S INTERESTING, THE THUG CULTURE. CULTURE. IF YOU PROBABLY — SAW A TAPE OF IF YOU PROBABLY — SAW A TAPE OF BILL BARR 10, 15 YEARS AGO, SAW BILL BARR 10, 15 YEARS AGO, SAW A TAPE OF MIKE POMPEO 10, 15 A TAPE OF MIKE POMPEO 10, 15 YEARS AGO, DIFFERENT. YEARS AGO, DIFFERENT. IT’S AMAZING THAT TRANSFORMATION IT’S AMAZING THAT TRANSFORMATION THAT HAPPENS IN TRUMP’S ORBIT, THAT HAPPENS IN TRUMP’S ORBIT, AND TO YOUR POINT, TO YOUR POINT AND TO YOUR POINT, TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, I DO NOT THINK THE EARLIER, I DO NOT THINK THE INVINCIBILITY TRANSLATES DOWN. INVINCIBILITY TRANSLATES DOWN.>>UH-HUH.>>UH-HUH.>>TWO THINGS THAT HAPPENED WITH>>TWO THINGS THAT HAPPENED WITH TWO REPUBLICANS IN THE LAST TWO TWO REPUBLICANS IN THE LAST TWO DAYS, THE FACT THAT MITCH DAYS, THE FACT THAT MITCH McCONNELL ACTUALLY CAME OUT AND McCONNELL ACTUALLY CAME OUT AND SAID, NO, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAID, NO, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE IMPEACHMENT HAPPENS, WHEREAS IMPEACHMENT HAPPENS, WHEREAS THERE IS WIGGLE ROOM THERE WHICH THERE IS WIGGLE ROOM THERE WHICH IS SURPRISING AND CHUCK GRASSLEY IS SURPRISING AND CHUCK GRASSLEY TODAY. TODAY. I DO THINK, AND JEFF FLAKE HAS I DO THINK, AND JEFF FLAKE HAS SAID, THERE ARE 35 REPUBLICANS SAID, THERE ARE 35 REPUBLICANS IF THEY CAN DO IT ANONYMOUSLY IF THEY CAN DO IT ANONYMOUSLY WOULD VOTE. WOULD VOTE. I DO THINK AS THIS THING GOES I DO THINK AS THIS THING GOES ALONG, AND MANY REPUBLICANS SEE ALONG, AND MANY REPUBLICANS SEE THAT AT BEST, HE SURVIVES BUT THAT AT BEST, HE SURVIVES BUT HE’S A LOSER IN 2020, THAT THEY HE’S A LOSER IN 2020, THAT THEY START TO PEEL. START TO PEEL. WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND STRATEGICALLY, IF I WAS WORKING STRATEGICALLY, IF I WAS WORKING FOR ANY SENATOR RIGHT NOW WHO’S FOR ANY SENATOR RIGHT NOW WHO’S NOT GOING TO BE PRIMARIED THE NOT GOING TO BE PRIMARIED THE NEXT TWO YEARS, I CAN SAY, YOU NEXT TWO YEARS, I CAN SAY, YOU CAN BE A HISTORICAL FIGURE. CAN BE A HISTORICAL FIGURE. STOP THINKING ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE STOP THINKING ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT TRUMP TODAY, HOW IS THINK ABOUT TRUMP TODAY, HOW IS HE GOING TO BE LOOKED AT IN HE GOING TO BE LOOKED AT IN THREE YEARS? THREE YEARS? IT’S A CHANCE FOR SOMEBODY TO BE IT’S A CHANCE FOR SOMEBODY TO BE A HERO AND START TO PEEL. A HERO AND START TO PEEL. BECAUSE I DO THINK ONCE ONE OR BECAUSE I DO THINK ONCE ONE OR TWO, THREE, GOES, OVER THE NEXT TWO, THREE, GOES, OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, AS THIS THING FEW WEEKS, AS THIS THING UNFOELTZ,UNFOLDS UNFOELTZ,UNFOLDS I THINK THE DOMINOS COULD FALL. I THINK THE DOMINOS COULD FALL.>>I’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT YOU>>I’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT YOU AS THIS HAS GONE ON. AS THIS HAS GONE ON. I THINK TO THE DEGREE THAT I THINK TO THE DEGREE THAT TRUMP’S BRAND IS SORT OF WHAT HE TRUMP’S BRAND IS SORT OF WHAT HE CAN FIT ON THE TOP OF A HAT, IT CAN FIT ON THE TOP OF A HAT, IT NOW WREAKS OF POLITICAL NOW WREAKS OF POLITICAL WEAKNESS, CAN’T WIN BY HIMSELF, WEAKNESS, CAN’T WIN BY HIMSELF, COULDN’T WIN BY HIMSELF, NEEDED COULDN’T WIN BY HIMSELF, NEEDED FOREIGN COUNTRIES TO HELP HIM, FOREIGN COUNTRIES TO HELP HIM, TOO WEAK POLITICALLY. TOO WEAK POLITICALLY. EVEN WEAKER THAN HE WAS THREE EVEN WEAKER THAN HE WAS THREE YEARS AGO WHEN HE SEEMED TO YEARS AGO WHEN HE SEEMED TO SURPRISE EVERYONE WITH THAT SURPRISE EVERYONE WITH THAT VICTORY. VICTORY. TO BE SOLICITING THE HELP THIS TO BE SOLICITING THE HELP THIS TIME MEANS HE’S POLITICALLY TIME MEANS HE’S POLITICALLY WEAKER. WEAKER. AND CORRUPT. AND CORRUPT. CORRUPT AS ALL GET OUT. CORRUPT AS ALL GET OUT. THOSE SEEM SO CUT RIGHT THOSE SEEM SO CUT RIGHT AGAINST — AGAINST –>>PEOPLE ALMOST ACCEPTED THE>>PEOPLE ALMOST ACCEPTED THE CORRUPTION, HE’S A DEALER, HE’S CORRUPTION, HE’S A DEALER, HE’S HA WHEEL HA WHEEL A WHEELER. A WHEELER.>>YEAH.>>YEAH.>>WHEN YOU SEE HIM NOW, HE>>WHEN YOU SEE HIM NOW, HE LOOKS WEAK. LOOKS WEAK. HE HAS THE DROOPY DAYS SOMETIMES HE HAS THE DROOPY DAYS SOMETIMES READING OFF THE TELEPROMPTER, READING OFF THE TELEPROMPTER, ALWAYS WHAT HE HAD, THE ONE ALWAYS WHAT HE HAD, THE ONE ASSET HE’S HAD, THE DEMOCRATS ASSET HE’S HAD, THE DEMOCRATS DON’T COME FORWARD WITH, IS DON’T COME FORWARD WITH, IS STRENGTH. STRENGTH. RIGHT NOW YOU’RE NOT SEEING IT. RIGHT NOW YOU’RE NOT SEEING IT. THE CAMERA DOESN’T LIE. THE CAMERA DOESN’T LIE. HE’S FEELING WEAK. HE’S FEELING WEAK. HE’S LOOKING WEAK. HE’S LOOKING WEAK. FOR THE FIRST TIME, I LOOK AT FOR THE FIRST TIME, I LOOK AT THIS PRESIDENT AND SAY, HE’S THIS PRESIDENT AND SAY, HE’S REALLY VULNERABLE. REALLY VULNERABLE.>>I THINK WHAT HE’S TRYING TO>>I THINK WHAT HE’S TRYING TO DO IS FIGURE OUT THIS DO IS FIGURE OUT THIS ENVIRONMENT AND HOW TO RESPOND ENVIRONMENT AND HOW TO RESPOND TO IT AND HOW TO MANAGE IT. TO IT AND HOW TO MANAGE IT. BECAUSE UNLIKE IN THE CLINTON BECAUSE UNLIKE IN THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, THEY HAD A PLAN ADMINISTRATION, THEY HAD A PLAN AND THEY PUT IT IN PLACE AND AND THEY PUT IT IN PLACE AND THEY CREATED THE WAR-ROOM AND THEY CREATED THE WAR-ROOM AND THEY SEPARATED IT FROM THE OVAL THEY SEPARATED IT FROM THE OVAL OFFICE. OFFICE. SO HE COULD STAY FOCUSED ON SO HE COULD STAY FOCUSED ON GOVERNING AND THOSE GUYS OVER GOVERNING AND THOSE GUYS OVER THERE, THEY TOOK ALL THE ARROWS, THERE, THEY TOOK ALL THE ARROWS, THEY TOOK ALL THE MEDIA THEY TOOK ALL THE MEDIA REQUESTS, AND THAT SORT OF THING REQUESTS, AND THAT SORT OF THING AND THEY DID ALL THE SPINNING. AND THEY DID ALL THE SPINNING.>>SOMETIMES THERE’S NO>>SOMETIMES THERE’S NO SPINNING, THOUGH. SPINNING, THOUGH. THE PROBLEM HERE THAT THEY HAVE THE PROBLEM HERE THAT THEY HAVE IS MAYBE THERE ARE NO MOVES. IS MAYBE THERE ARE NO MOVES. THEIR MOVE IS WHAT I CALL THE THEIR MOVE IS WHAT I CALL THE CAP STRATEGY. CAP STRATEGY. FIRST YOU CONFUSE, SEND GIULIANI FIRST YOU CONFUSE, SEND GIULIANI OUT, SAY 84 DIFFERENT THINGS, OUT, SAY 84 DIFFERENT THINGS, THEN ADMIT THE WRONGDOING, LIKE THEN ADMIT THE WRONGDOING, LIKE HE’S SAYING NOW, WE’RE GOING TO HE’S SAYING NOW, WE’RE GOING TO GO TO ALL THE WORLD LEADERS THEN GO TO ALL THE WORLD LEADERS THEN YOU POINT TO THE OTHER GUYS BUT YOU POINT TO THE OTHER GUYS BUT IT DOESN’T SEEM TO BE STICKING. IT DOESN’T SEEM TO BE STICKING. THAT TRADITIONAL STRATEGY THAT THAT TRADITIONAL STRATEGY THAT MOVES EVERYBODY OFF, THEY DON’T MOVES EVERYBODY OFF, THEY DON’T HAVE A LOT OF MOVES SS SS BASED HAVE A LOT OF MOVES SS SS BASED BLACK AND WHITE QUALITY. BLACK AND WHITE QUALITY.>>UNLIKE BILL CLINTON, TRUMP>>UNLIKE BILL CLINTON, TRUMP CAN’T COMPARTMENTALIZE THE SAME CAN’T COMPARTMENTALIZE THE SAME WAY, HE CAN GO ABOUT HIS DAY JOB WAY, HE CAN GO ABOUT HIS DAY JOB AND VENT AT NIGHT. AND VENT AT NIGHT. TRUMP IS VENTING ALL THE TIME TRUMP IS VENTING ALL THE TIME AND THE ENTIRE WHITE HOUSE AND AND THE ENTIRE WHITE HOUSE AND WEST WING ARE CONSUMED BY THIS. WEST WING ARE CONSUMED BY THIS. YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT WEAK YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT WEAK WEAKNESS, PEOPLE MAY SEE WEAKNESS, PEOPLE MAY SEE DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN THEY SEE DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN THEY SEE THE PRESIDENT ON CAMERA, ON TV, THE PRESIDENT ON CAMERA, ON TV, BUT IF YOU STEP BACK AND LOOK AT BUT IF YOU STEP BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT THEY’RE DOING, WHAT WHAT THEY’RE DOING, WHAT ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR IS DOING, ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR IS DOING, INVESTIGATING THE ORIGINS OF THE INVESTIGATING THE ORIGINS OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION — I MEAN, MUELLER INVESTIGATION — I MEAN, THEY’RE HEADING INTO 2020 AND THEY’RE HEADING INTO 2020 AND THE PRESIDENT IS STILL CONSUMED THE PRESIDENT IS STILL CONSUMED WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN AN WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN AN ELECTION WHEN ULTIMATELY, HE ELECTION WHEN ULTIMATELY, HE WON, BUT HE’S STILL CONSUMED BY WON, BUT HE’S STILL CONSUMED BY THE FACT THAT IT WAS THE FACT THAT IT WAS INVESTIGATED, THAT THE RESULTS INVESTIGATED, THAT THE RESULTS ARE QUESTIONED IN ANY WAY. ARE QUESTIONED IN ANY WAY. THE FACT THAT THAT IS DIRECTING THE FACT THAT THAT IS DIRECTING THE ACTIONS OF THE JUSTICE THE ACTIONS OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AT THIS POINT AS HE’S DEPARTMENT AT THIS POINT AS HE’S HEADING INTO A RE-ELECT TELLS HEADING INTO A RE-ELECT TELLS YOU ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT — ABOUT –>>PARANOIA.>>PARANOIA. ALL THE ECHOS OF NIXON AND ALL THE ECHOS OF NIXON AND WATERGATE ARE THERE. WATERGATE ARE THERE. FRANK, I WANT TO BRING YOU BACK FRANK, I WANT TO BRING YOU BACK IN. IN. DONNY ALLUDED TO THIS. DONNY ALLUDED TO THIS. I DON’T WANT THIS TO ESCAPE I DON’T WANT THIS TO ESCAPE ATTENTION. ATTENTION. THE INSPECTER GENERAL FOR THE THE INSPECTER GENERAL FOR THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, THE WATCHDOG WHO ENDED UP IN WATCHDOG WHO ENDED UP IN RESEPTEMBER OF THE RESEPTEMBER OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S SEVEN-PAGE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S SEVEN-PAGE REPORT. REPORT. THE IDEA THAT POMPEO CAN’T READ THE IDEA THAT POMPEO CAN’T READ SEVEN PAYMENTS MAKES ME REALLY, SEVEN PAYMENTS MAKES ME REALLY, REALLY SCARED FOR AMERICA’S REALLY SCARED FOR AMERICA’S DIPLOMATS ALL AROUND THE WORLD. DIPLOMATS ALL AROUND THE WORLD. EVERY DIPLOMATIC CABLE IS LONGER EVERY DIPLOMATIC CABLE IS LONGER THAN THAT. THAN THAT. YOU SHOULD ALL BE SCARED. YOU SHOULD ALL BE SCARED. WHAT THE I.C./I.G., INTELLIGENCE WHAT THE I.C./I.G., INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, INSPECTOR GENERAL COMMUNITY, INSPECTOR GENERAL DID, HE OBLITERATED THE MOST DID, HE OBLITERATED THE MOST FREQUENTLY TROTTED OUT TALKING FREQUENTLY TROTTED OUT TALKING POINT TO DEFEND DONALD TRUMP IN POINT TO DEFEND DONALD TRUMP IN THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT. THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT. THE IDEA IT WAS HEARSAY. THE IDEA IT WAS HEARSAY. THE IDEA IT WAS SECONDHAND. THE IDEA IT WAS SECONDHAND. THERE IS A PROTECTION FOR SECOND THERE IS A PROTECTION FOR SECOND JND JND HAND INFORMATION FROM HAND INFORMATION FROM WHISTLE-BLOWERS. WHISTLE-BLOWERS. THE I.G. WHEN HE INVESTIGATED THE I.G. WHEN HE INVESTIGATED IT, THAT’S HOW HE GAVE HIM THE IT, THAT’S HOW HE GAVE HIM THE GOOD HOUSEKEEPING SEAL OF GOOD HOUSEKEEPING SEAL OF APPROVAL THE WHISTLE-BLOWER APPROVAL THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT WAS CREDIBLE, BECAUSE COMPLAINT WAS CREDIBLE, BECAUSE HE WENT OUT AND INTERVIEWED HE WENT OUT AND INTERVIEWED OTHER WITNESSES, OTHER PEOPLE OTHER WITNESSES, OTHER PEOPLE WORKING ON THE 18-ACRE WHITE WORKING ON THE 18-ACRE WHITE HOUSE COMPLEX, AND URGENT. HOUSE COMPLEX, AND URGENT. JUST TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS. JUST TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS.>>WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS A>>WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS A NONTRADITIONAL THING FOR AN NONTRADITIONAL THING FOR AN INSPECTOR GENERAL TO DO, THEY INSPECTOR GENERAL TO DO, THEY GENERALLY WORK QUIETLY BEHIND GENERALLY WORK QUIETLY BEHIND THE SCENES AND LET THEIR THE SCENES AND LET THEIR INVESTIGATIONS SPEAK FOR INVESTIGATIONS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. THEMSELVES. I’M — I’M INFERRING FROM THIS A I’M — I’M INFERRING FROM THIS A COUPLE THINGS. COUPLE THINGS. ONE IS, HE FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT ONE IS, HE FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT WHAT HE’S GOT AND WHAT THIS WHAT HE’S GOT AND WHAT THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER PROVIDED AND WHAT WHISTLE-BLOWER PROVIDED AND WHAT HIS INVESTIGATION OF THE HIS INVESTIGATION OF THE CREDIBILITY OF THE ALLEGATIONS CREDIBILITY OF THE ALLEGATIONS SHOWS. SHOWS. NUMBER TWO, HE’S BATTLING FOR NUMBER TWO, HE’S BATTLING FOR THE FUTURE WHISTLE-BLOWERS. THE FUTURE WHISTLE-BLOWERS. HE’S SAYING, I’VE GOT YOUR BACK. HE’S SAYING, I’VE GOT YOUR BACK. IF YOU NEED TO COME FORWARD AND IF YOU NEED TO COME FORWARD AND MAYBE OTHERS HAVE, I’M GOING TO MAYBE OTHERS HAVE, I’M GOING TO HAVE YOUR BACK AND PUSH BACK. HAVE YOUR BACK AND PUSH BACK. AND LASTLY, I ACTUALLY SEE THIS AND LASTLY, I ACTUALLY SEE THIS ACTION EMPOWERING MEMBERS OF THE ACTION EMPOWERING MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, TO MEDIA, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, TO ALSO PUSH BACK. ALSO PUSH BACK. I’VE SEEN ALMOST UNPRECEDENTED I’VE SEEN ALMOST UNPRECEDENTED PUSHBACK ACROSS THE NETWORKS PUSHBACK ACROSS THE NETWORKS OVER THE LAST, SAY, THREE DAYS OVER THE LAST, SAY, THREE DAYS ON ANY SPOKESPERSON OAR ON ANY SPOKESPERSON OAR REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WHITE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WHITE HOUSE WHO’S TRYING TO JUST CALL, HOUSE WHO’S TRYING TO JUST CALL, TRYING TO PUT FORTH BS. TRYING TO PUT FORTH BS. I SEE THEM GETTING CALLED ON IT. I SEE THEM GETTING CALLED ON IT. IF THE I.G. INSPECTOR OF THE IF THE I.G. INSPECTOR OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IS INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IS LEADING THAT CHARGE, AMEN TO LEADING THAT CHARGE, AMEN TO THAT. THAT.>>THE LAST POINT ON THIS>>THE LAST POINT ON THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER, CHRIS, MUCH OF WHISTLE-BLOWER, CHRIS, MUCH OF WHAT HE PUT OUT IN THE SEVEN WHAT HE PUT OUT IN THE SEVEN PAGES, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE, IT’S PAGES, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE, IT’S AN INCREDIBLE READ, IMPOSSIBLE AN INCREDIBLE READ, IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO READ IT IN ONE SITTING, NOT TO READ IT IN ONE SITTING, HAS BEEN CORROBORATED. HAS BEEN CORROBORATED. AS JEANNE SAID, THE WHITE HOUSE AS JEANNE SAID, THE WHITE HOUSE RELEASED THE TRANSCRIPTS THAT RELEASED THE TRANSCRIPTS THAT CORROBORATED EVERYTHING THAT THE CORROBORATED EVERYTHING THAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WROTE ABOUT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER WROTE ABOUT THE CALL. CALL. CONGRESS WAS ALREADY CONGRESS WAS ALREADY INVESTIGATING THE HOLDING UP OF INVESTIGATING THE HOLDING UP OF THE AIDE THAT WAS RELEASED IN THE AIDE THAT WAS RELEASED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT REALLY THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT REALLY ONCE THIS WAS ALL IN MOTION. ONCE THIS WAS ALL IN MOTION. AND WE’RE ALMOST GETTING BEYOND AND WE’RE ALMOST GETTING BEYOND THE POINT WE’RE ATTACKING THE THE POINT WE’RE ATTACKING THE WHISTLE-BLOWER EEB DONALD TRUMP WHISTLE-BLOWER EEB DONALD TRUMP IS ON A FOCUSED EFFORT TO OUT IS ON A FOCUSED EFFORT TO OUT THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER WHICH IS THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER WHICH IS TERRIFYING. TERRIFYING. ALL OF HIS — HIS TIP SHEET HAS ALL OF HIS — HIS TIP SHEET HAS ALL BEEN INVESTIGATED AND ALL BEEN INVESTIGATED AND CONFIRMED. CONFIRMED.>>YEP.>>YEP. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. YOU LOOK AT THE REPUBLICAN YOU LOOK AT THE REPUBLICAN PLAYBOOK. PLAYBOOK. THE FIRST THING IT WAS TO SAY THE FIRST THING IT WAS TO SAY THIS IS HEARSAY. THIS IS HEARSAY. OF COURSE, NOW WE HAVE THE OF COURSE, NOW WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT CORROBORATING IT, PRESIDENT CORROBORATING IT, HIMSELF. HIMSELF. THEY NOW TRIED TO ATTACK THEY NOW TRIED TO ATTACK POLITICAL BIAS OF THIS POLITICAL BIAS OF THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER. WHISTLE-BLOWER. NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT WE NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT WE TAKE WHISTLE-BLOWERS, YOU KNOW, TAKE WHISTLE-BLOWERS, YOU KNOW, HOW WE COME, WHETHER IT’S DEEP HOW WE COME, WHETHER IT’S DEEP THROAT, WHETHER IT’S LINDA THROAT, WHETHER IT’S LINDA TRIPP, WHISTLE-BLOWERS SOMETIMES TRIPP, WHISTLE-BLOWERS SOMETIMES HAVE A POLITICAL AGENDA. HAVE A POLITICAL AGENDA. YOU LOOK AT THE FACTS OF WHAT YOU LOOK AT THE FACTS OF WHAT THEY’RE ALLEGING. THEY’RE ALLEGING. THE PLAYBOOK OF ATTACKING THE THE PLAYBOOK OF ATTACKING THE MESSENGER CLEARLY FAILED IN PART MESSENGER CLEARLY FAILED IN PART BECAUSE OF THE SERIOUSNESS OF BECAUSE OF THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS ALLEGATION. THIS ALLEGATION. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT DONNY JUST IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT DONNY JUST SAID ABOUT THEM NOT HAVING SAID ABOUT THEM NOT HAVING ANOTHER MOVE LEFT, PART OF IT IS ANOTHER MOVE LEFT, PART OF IT IS IF YOU GO BACK TO WATERGATE, THE IF YOU GO BACK TO WATERGATE, THE QUOTE/UNQUOTE, SMOKING GUN TAPE QUOTE/UNQUOTE, SMOKING GUN TAPE WAS THE FINAL STRAW BEFORE NIXON WAS THE FINAL STRAW BEFORE NIXON HAD TO RESIGN. HAD TO RESIGN. THESE GUYS PUT OUT THE SMOKING THESE GUYS PUT OUT THE SMOKING GUN TAPE, THEY THOUGHT IT GUN TAPE, THEY THOUGHT IT EXONERATED THEM. EXONERATED THEM. THEY’RE TRYING TO WALK IT BACK. THEY’RE TRYING TO WALK IT BACK. IT’S THE PRESIDENT’S OWN WORDS IT’S THE PRESIDENT’S OWN WORDS AND FOLLOW-UP CORROBORATION THAT AND FOLLOW-UP CORROBORATION THAT MAKE THIS SO HARD TO MESSAGE MAKE THIS SO HARD TO MESSAGE RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT. WE’RE GOING TO BUTTON IT UP ON WE’RE GOING TO BUTTON IT UP ON THIS POMPEO THERE, BUT I HAVE TO THIS POMPEO THERE, BUT I HAVE TO LEAVE EVERYBODY WITH POMPEO’S LEAVE EVERYBODY WITH POMPEO’S WORDS ABOUT WHY NOT TO RELEASE WORDS ABOUT WHY NOT TO RELEASE NOTES FROM THAT CALL. NOTES FROM THAT CALL. DON’T DO IT. DON’T DO IT. DON’T DO IT. DON’T DO IT. HERE’S WHAT POMPEO SAID. HERE’S WHAT POMPEO SAID. “WE DON’T — OH, HERE, LET’S “WE DON’T — OH, HERE, LET’S LISTEN. LISTEN.>>WE DON’T RELEASE TRANSCRIPTS>>WE DON’T RELEASE TRANSCRIPTS VERY OFTEN. VERY OFTEN. IT’S THE RARE CASE. IT’S THE RARE CASE. THOSE ARE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS THOSE ARE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN WORLD LEADERS AND IT BETWEEN WORLD LEADERS AND IT WOULDN’T BE APPROPRIATE TO DO SO WOULDN’T BE APPROPRIATE TO DO SO EXCEPT IN THE MOST EXTREME EXCEPT IN THE MOST EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES. CIRCUMSTANCES. THERE’S — THERE’S NO EVIDENCE THERE’S — THERE’S NO EVIDENCE THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE AT THIS POINT. HERE AT THIS POINT.>>YOU’RE WATCHING, THAT MAN>>YOU’RE WATCHING, THAT MAN SAID THAT KNOWING THAT DONALD SAID THAT KNOWING THAT DONALD TRUMP ASKED EIGHT TIMES THAT THE TRUMP ASKED EIGHT TIMES THAT THE UKRAINIAN LEADER INVESTIGATE THE